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Title: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: anwarica on /October/ 05, 2005, 12:11:16 PM
Dr. 3abeer said

USMLE

a system of 3 steps, in each step u set 4 an exam, the 1st step is in basic sceince( academic) so u can do it before u go 2 the hospital, (better), the 2nd step is clinical ( written exam in the clinical subjects), after that u set 4 the 3rd step,
this allows u 2 go 4 ur postgraduate study in us,
about me, I'm going 2 set 4 the british system, 2 go 4 it, u have 2 ways, if u want 2 do the postgraduate study in UK, u have 2 give 2 exams, THE ( IELTS) WHICH IS an english language exam, u have 2 get score of 7 or above, if u get this u can set after that 4 PLAB PART1 & PART 2( معادلة الشهادة البريطانية)
THEN U APPLY 4 SHO POST ( senior house officer ) & u go 2 uk,
the other way, if u want 2 get ur speciality (تخصص ) from UK,but without going their, here it's easier u set for the exams u want in ur country ( MRCP ) , IT'S 2 PARTS, then u become a member of the royal college,
WHAT'S MY OPINION IN THIS?
ABSOLUTELY I AGREE, & I WAS PLANNING 2 ENCOURAGE ALL OF U 2 CARRY WITH THIS, COZ WE NEED EXTRA ORDINARY DOCTORS, NOT 3RD DEGREE DOCTORS,
FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE 2 INFORM U THAT, DR NUHA( CLEO) IS DOING HER POST GRADUATE IN US, SO SHE CAN GIVE U MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE AMERICAN SYSTEM
& DON'T FORGET THAT THERE'S ALSO THE CANADIAN SYSTEM , THESE R THE MOST POWERFUL SYSTEMS 4 POSTGRADUATE WORLWIDE
ALL THE BEST, & I WILL BE HAPPY 2 RECEIVE ANY QURIES ABOUT THIS


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: anwarica on /October/ 05, 2005, 12:14:39 PM
Dr. 3abeer said:

The British system

1st: if U want 2go 2 do ur post graduate in UK:
HERE , U HAVE 2 SET 4 3 EXAMS,
1- IELTS: which is an international English language exam, consisting of 4 parts, listening, speaking, writing & reading.
- U have 2 get at least 7 out of 9 in this exam, ok dear.
- U can register 4 the exam in the british council in UR country.
- There r many books that help in preparing 4 the exam, my book is
insight into IELTS, from Cambridge university, it comes with a cassette
- There r preparation courses, held in the British council, u can register 4 one of these also
2- After that U have 2 set for the PLAB part 1,
معادلة الشهادة البريطانية في الطب)
This is a written exam, in all medical science, academic & clinical, it?s MCQ exam.

- Where can U register 4 this exam in Egypt? Maybe in the ministry of health or the british council also, U can know from the web sites, ok
- There r books also 4 this exam, U can buy from libraries. ( ask about PLAB books, & check the recommended books on line)
3- AFTER PASSING THIS PART 1 ? INSHALLA-
U set 4 PLAB part 2, which is clinical exam,
4- after passing this part also, inshalla, U register with the general medical council, ( u can register before these exams also) 7 U apply 4 ? SHO post = senior house officer post .
this means that after UR registeration with gmc, u got 2 know about vacancies in hospital in UK, then u apply their & wait till U get a position.the application 4 this is twice per year, on march & August .
- during this time , U should be working or attending any hospital in UR country, specifically in the department U want 2 work in in UK, let?s say that U want 2 do pediatrics in UK, so u have 2 work in pediatrics in UR country till U finish all this, ( this is considered +ve event in UR C.V.)
ok,

now the 2nd way:
- if U want 2 get UR speciality from UK without going their,
1- here, after UR graduation, U apply 4 THE ROYAL COOLEGE EXAM , PART 1 in the speciality U want, let?s say:
for pediatrics U apply 4 MRCPCH part 1, ok,
for medicine U apply 4 MRCP part 1, for gyne & obs. U apply 4 MRCOG part 1 & so ????
- U give the exam in UR country ,
2- U have 2 work for 2 & half yrs in any hospital in UR country that is RECOGNIZED BY THE ROYAL COLLEGE, ( U CAN GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH OR THE ROYAL COLLEGE, 2 KNOW WHICH HOSPITALS R RECOGNIZED IN UR COUNTRY)
3- After that U can apply 4 THE 2ND PART EXAM
4- WHEN U pass these 2 exams, INSHALLA, UR considered as a member of royal college.

4 All the steps above, U have specific books available in the libraries, MRCP PART 1 ,OR 2, PLAB,?.


About the AMERICAN SYSTEM, U might ask Dr Nuha, she is a resident in Boston

- There is also the Canadian system, but it?s expensive & U need sponsorship 2 get into the program their.

Finally: I want 2 say that there residency programs in the Arab world, one of them is the Jordanian board,( which is recognized in the west) & the Arab board which is not recognized in the west. I don?t know if there R other systems in other Arabic countries.

The web sites U can use R :
www.onexamination.com
www.gmc-uk.org
www.mrcp.com

u can also search the google & U will find more sites

what I want 2 say is, all of us should think about the post graduate study, coz this is the only way 2 be a great DR. & only by this U can work wherever u want in the world, & this is a normal event in the west, while, in our countries, it?s very rare, or even unknown, most R thinking المهم اشتغل 
but this is the beginning 2 change the health services in our countries, & I hope in the fiture , we will have our own , programs that R recognized worldwide.
Plz try 2 educate all who doesn?t know about this, coz this is amana.
Ready 4 any question U want.
All the best


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: anwarica on /October/ 05, 2005, 12:17:19 PM
Dr. Cleo_md said:

let me explain it to you broadly and make a few comments and general advice for all those going ahead with it .

The USMLE is an exam that anyone practising medicine in the US has to sit for . It's basically to get your license to practise medicine .

It is divided as follows

STEP ONE -
Anatomy , Physiology , Biochemistry , Genetics , Behavioral medicine , Statistics , Microbiology( including parasitology) , Ethics , Pathology , Pharmacology , Histology , Immunology, Molecular biology , Epidemiology .

It is a test in basic sciences but what everyone needs to realize is the exam is from a CLINICAL prespective so i highly advice you not to sit for the exam if you have not been on the wards and done some clinical studying .
Most of the questions are basically cases so you need some clinical back ground.I'm not sayiny you need to cover internal medicine or psychiatry but you do need a back ground .

The exam is an 8 hour exam - i think it was 350 questions - 50 questions each block

STEP TWO - CK ( Clinical Knowledge)
Internal medicine , Surgery ( including subspecialities as ENT , Ophthalmology , Trauma) , Psychiatry , Pediatrics , OB/Gyn, Epidemiology , Ethics , Statistics .

We can easily say that 90% of the questions are cases requiring things as diagnostic tests , DD or things relating to reaching a diagnosis and broad treatment measures or treatment measures that are life saving .


- To be continued...pager beeping!!!!!!


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: anwarica on /October/ 05, 2005, 12:18:30 PM
Dr. Cleo_md said:

Step 2

as i said..it' clinical...the exam is 9 hours - around 400 quesitons if i'm not mistaken


STEP 2 CS- Clinical skills ( used to be called CSA)

THis is the clinical skills evaluation test...that is encounters with patients - it ranges from 11-12 patients . Mostly internal medicine but you can get anything .
You have 15 mins to take a history , do a physical exam and talk to the patients about your findings and counsel them about bad habits/what tests they may need further ...etc

I think now there is an english language part of it as an evaluation instead of the TOEFL


STEP 3
This is the part which is clinical with emphasis on treatment - It is a 2 day exam
but you do not need it to join residency in the US . I did not sit for this exam before residency although some people prefer to .


The time frame to prepare....if you are working step 1 may take up to 6 -10 months and step 2 4-6 months but if you are doing it as a full time thing you can take 5 months step 1and 4 step 2 ..it really depends on you... you can just schedule your exam and reschedule if you're not ready...it runs the whole year long so it's not really a fixed time whcih you have to make ( except if you are planning on a specific date to join residency - people start applying in August of every year)


The cost- This is highly variable but some say around 50,000 Egyptian pounds...i m not sure how true this is...but i can give you some basic figures

step 1 $ 810
step2- CK $ 810
step 2 CS $ 1200

then you have books , q books , kaplan materials , the cost of the trip for the step 2 CS in the US

This is to get ECFMG certified ...after that comes residency and applying for the match
that's a long story that i can explain later to those interested 

I am totally with people travelling to the West for a better education to go back home and fix the current bad circumstances....I am MORE THAN WILLING to help anyone planning to come to the US / sitting for the USMLE's ...
I have Qs , books , i can generally advice you , help you with the match , help guide you on the best way to pass the clinical exam...you name it !


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: anwarica on /October/ 05, 2005, 12:19:49 PM
Dr. Cleo_md said:  

About the residency . The way things go here is as follows .When you are certified to practise medicine you start getting ready by August to apply to the match .
The match is a computer process that happens every year to match doctors with hospitals .

You go online and sign up on something called ERAS or the electronic residency service . There you have all your information and they basically guide you where to send all your certificates and papers ( like transcripts from your medical school , recommendation letters ) They basically act like an office that has all your stuff . They do this for one reason - you dont have to actually send all your papers a million times to different hospitals . They do that for you . You pick the hospital and on the computer check what you need to send to that hospital and they do it electronically .

Anyway ...enough about ERAS . You choose your speciality , you pick the hospitals you want to apply to and then ERAS sends your application and paper work to them .
You wait and they contact you . Either tell you we are inviting you for an interview or they send a rejection letter .

Once you are invited for an interview - they start sending you interview dates and you pick the date , show up , talk to people and they either like you or not .

At the end of the process you may have a few interviews and the NRMP - which is like the match office asks you to make a list of the hospitals you interviewed at in the order of your preference. It means the one you like the most goes in number one and the one you like the least comes in last .

Same thing happens in hospitals , they make a list of the candidates who applied putting you on a list of many people .

Then the computer on a certain day ( usually around mid march ) does an algorithem to match candidates to hospitals according to mutual preference .
The trick here is you may like some place so much and rank them high then they dont rank you high and you end up not matching with any place .
You can get a sense of things when people behave like they are interested and things like that .

There are some uncommon incidents when you meet with a hospital and they like you so much that they ask you to sign a "prematch" contract . That's what happened with me ( i dont know what they liked really) . I got an interview early in the process and i scheduled it early because i was travelling outside the US and they ended up calling me and asking me to sign a contract with them before the match process and do not go through the match .
That does not happen all the time but if it does happen and you like the place then Allah blessed you and spared you the match dilemma.

Once you know where you matched or prematched you just contact them or they contact you and it's just things you need to be certified in like ACLS /BLS ..courses you have to pass before joining , not a big deal .

If you are unlucky and dont match , there is usually a list of hospitals which after the match process still have some empty spots . So you can just apply to them and interview and they will contact you to tell you if you are in or rejected .

That's it ....it's a long process , you need to have some good letters of recommendations from clinicians in the field you are applying to and they always prefer if you have trained in the US for sometime , but it is not a must . IT is just a preference .


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: anwarica on /October/ 05, 2005, 12:20:47 PM
Dr. Cleo_md said

Step 2 clinical knowledge is essentially all the clinical fields of medicine in addition to ethics , epidemiology and statistics

Here is a list of the books that you can use

- Internal medicine
i used Current medical diagnosis and treatement as a reference , it is a big book and cant be actually done before the exam unless you're still in medical school

blue prints in internal medicine
kaplan study notes

internal medicine is 80% of the exam so this should be your main concentration

- Psychiatry
BRS in psychiatry ( board review series)
or kaplan notes - they are identical

-Gyn/Ob
BRS or Kaplan

-Surgery and subspecialities
I found that that kaplan notes were more than enough for the exam , surgery in the USMLE is mainly trauma and scenarios that want you to act right in life and death situations

- Peds
Blueprints or Kaplan
i dont think you will have much of a problem there 

-Statistics/epidemiology/ethics
i used kaplan....it's short and to the point...all you need for the exam

I think it's a must that you find the new Kaplan question bank because it tells you how the exam questions look like ( they usually have them at Kaplan and sometimes there are available on Ebay) . If you cant find it let me know and i can mail you a copy of the one i have on CD . It's not the most recent but will be more helpful than other sources.



There are many books that have short questions , reminder schemes and things like that that i used
- Step2 secrets or crush the boards step 2
-USMLE Step2 First Aid ( very good book)
-Appl and Lange Questions

If i remember any more books or resources i will post them for you


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: anwarica on /October/ 05, 2005, 12:24:26 PM
That was the most of topic in English as much as I could copy from the previous forum!
I'm sure that questions are welcomed here too ;)


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: Mohamed on /October/ 05, 2005, 06:53:50 PM
Thanks dr. anwarica, actually this thread gives me some hope in the future that when I think about it I looks like this guy >>>>>>  ::HeaD::

:P


Title: A good book about medicine abroad
Post by: dr_b.e.s.m on /October/ 08, 2005, 09:33:50 AM
http://rapidshare.de/files/6025280/The_Doctor_s_Guide_to_Overseas_Training.rar.html


conatians useful well organized info about USA , UK , Canada, Australia , etc...



Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: anwarica on /November/ 29, 2005, 12:38:47 AM
When I was reading this topic today [again and again  :-[]
I stopped when I saw "IELTS" Because I could fetch a book about it weeks ago without understanding what was that  ::rage::

Here's the thread about Cambridge IELTS 4 For Medical Post-Graduate study (British System) (http://www.real-doctors.com/forums/index.php?topic=229)  :)


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: 3abeer on /February/ 28, 2006, 09:09:03 AM
ALL WHAT U NEED TO KNOW ABOUT USMLE

www.usmle.org

www.ecfmg.org


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: someonez on /March/ 26, 2006, 12:45:47 PM
Assalamo Aleikom ..

Thanks everybody for this amazing work ..
i Have a couple of questions though ..

about the British systems .. What kind of Advantages does each of the PLAB and the MRCS give you ?
my dad is pursuing me to do the MRCS .. i want to be an orthopaedic surgeon .. i have like Zero chance to join the faculty staff and can't seem to find any other options here in Egypt ..

i'm still in my fourth year .. so lots can happen in such long time ('bout 3 years) .. but still .. i need to know on what ground i'm standing ..

Should i consider PLAB  if i couldn't find any decent job here ?
Plus .. i guess the MRCS is useful if i wanna go on with my studies abroad .. It's sort of a degree , right ? 
I don't think my Ain Shams Degree would do me any good abroad , wouldn't  it ?

God ! .. i'm going bananas here !! .. Hope you could help me .
Thanks any way ..


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: juniordoctor on /March/ 26, 2006, 01:31:15 PM
Dear someonez,

Although I am still a third year student, but I think I can help.
As Far as I know, PLAB is an equivalent to the Egyptian bachelor, while MRCS is a medical degree.
You should also know that PLAB can be taken directly after your internship (imtiyaz) while in case of MRCS you need more years of practice to be eligible to sit for the exam.

You said:
Should i consider PLAB  if i couldn't find any decent job here ?

I think you should. The problem will arise only if you got a position in the college and joined the staff. Then, you will have to choose whether to continue here to be a professor or to go abroad.

You said:
I don't think my Ain Shams Degree would do me any good abroad , wouldn't  it ?

I think so. But may be you can find some Arab countries that recognize it, but you should prove that you are competent by taking foreign qualifications.

For more, please visit a post about PLAB at: http://www.medicaleducationonline.org/smf/index.php?topic=3009.0


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: someonez on /March/ 28, 2006, 03:28:13 AM
Thanks so much junior doctor


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: musheera on /March/ 28, 2006, 03:40:29 AM
Dear someonez

Why don't you conider american board???

you have to study 1st step ....
2nd step
CSA (clinical skills )
go through ?aperiod of internship

then study for the board exams
& voila u have american board...




Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: juniordoctor on /March/ 28, 2006, 08:22:20 AM
Quote from: musheera on /March/ 28, 2006, 03:40:29 AM
Why don't you conider american board???


I was going to say so. That's what I prefer, and intend to do in shaa Allah.

You can take step 1 after fourth year, or after sixth year. You have to pass step 1, step 2 CK and step 2 CS to become ECFMG certified, and to be eligible to apply for residency position in the US. Then you take step 3 to complete the USMLE, and become eligible to sit for the board exam.

For more, we need to ask Dr Cleo_md, as she has been through all these steps before.


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: 3abeer on /March/ 28, 2006, 09:56:20 AM
i do agree with musheera,
i think its better 2 have the american board,
u can start by step one from now
dont waste the chance, ur fresh in basics , so شد الحزام & go one  :-[

me & dr besm are preparing 4 step 2 inshalla

things are getting more difficult 4 arabs in UK , i have some colleagues their & they are compailing about the poor chances they have their

& as long , as we need distinguished drs, u should take this thing ( postgraduate in a foriegn country) seriously,

or we will be just numbers ,  ??? ::)


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: juniordoctor on /March/ 28, 2006, 10:13:54 AM
Quote from: 3abeer on /March/ 28, 2006, 09:56:20 AM
me & dr besm are preparing 4 step 2 inshalla


So, i can suppose you passed step 1. Please tell me how. I'm a third year student. I was planning to take step 1 after this year, but when i started solving MCQs i found that i can't answer anything correct  ::bat::. I have a series called underground clinical vignettes, i started reading them, but i still cannot combine basic science with clinical issues. So, i decided to postpone it to after 4th or 6th year.

I have another question, if I took the exam after third year can i pass it? as i heard that there are some MRI & CTs and i don't know what is CT, i only know the ET :P.

I plan to study in Shaa Allah from First aid, kaplan, underground clinical vignettes and BRS physiology, are they enough?

Please answer.  ::faint::



Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: 3abeer on /March/ 28, 2006, 10:59:01 AM
WELL DR JUNIOR,

I DIDNT TAKE STEP 1 YET, U CAN DO THAT AFTER STEP 2,

I KNOW ITS HARD 2 DO STEP 1 IMMEADIATELY , AFTER THE 3RD YR, AS THERE ARE CLINICAL RELATIONS

U MIGHT WAIT TELL U FINISH THE 4 TH YR ,
PRAY ESTE5ARA 4 THAT

I THINK NUHA CAN GIVE THE BEST REPLY HERE

BEST OF LUCK  :)


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: juniordoctor on /March/ 28, 2006, 11:54:37 AM
Thanks for your reply Dr 3abeer.
Best luck in step 2.


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: Fakeer on /March/ 28, 2006, 02:21:31 PM
Aslamu alikum

Dear Dr.Juniordoctor

according to my conversations with Dr.Nuha on making USMLE she told me it will be more easy to pass usmle step 1 after studying Internal medicine..ok?

Because 80% of the usmle step 1 is internal medicine

Don't worry u will be perfect..focus on ur goal and fight for it...we will be with u isA

Salam


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: juniordoctor on /March/ 28, 2006, 02:47:43 PM
Thanks Dr Fakeer, but i have another question.
After sixth year, will it be easier to take step 2 first or step 1?


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: Fakeer on /March/ 28, 2006, 02:59:08 PM
Remember that u will study internal medicine in the fifth year...so u can do step 1 after the fifth year and after the sixth year u can make the 2nd

But i really can't tell u which one will be easier becuz i didn't

Sorry !

ask dr.bahha or wait for dr.nuha's opinion

salam


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: juniordoctor on /March/ 28, 2006, 03:14:21 PM
Thanks Dr Fakeer for your reply. I will wait for Dr Nuha's reply.
Thanks again.


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: cleo_md on /March/ 28, 2006, 04:19:05 PM
Hi everyone!! I'm sorry I missed this thread.

Rubbina maakom inshaa'Allah :)

Junior doctor ,
I'm glad you realized that taking step 1 after third year in Egypt is not the greatest? idea. You may pass it but with the current competition you will need to make sure you have good scores or at least have no attempts on any of the steps.
Also you are coming all the way from Egypt and need to match in a good program to make sure you have good chances for fellowship if you intend to subspecialize or stay in the US for a few years more.

Which step to take first after 6th year is totally up to you . If you feel after 6th year that you are burnt out then do step 2 first because medicine is medicine - most of it will be things you've heard about before although here the work up and management are different at times.
This will give you a push to keep up with all the studying required for this test.
As Dr Fakeer mentioned step 2 is almost 80% internal medicine.

One more thing you've mentioned and I wanted to emphasize . You can not take any speciality board exam without residency here in the US . Residency makes you board eligible.
I think there were ways to do so in the past  but not anymore or limited to institutions accepting people for fellowships from non US programs( very few ). Don't quote me on that one!

The book list you've mentioned Junior doctor is more than enough.? My sincere advice to you is do lots and lots of questions.

I did step 1 then step 2 two? and a half months later and CSA ( currently step 2 CS ) in the same month. The clinical exam is not a big deal for fluent English speakers and those familiar with what is expected of bedside manners here in the US.
Websites like USMLE world are more than enough to prepare you for it in 2 weeks max.
I rotated in the US before all that so it took me a few days of prepartion.

What else?? The whole match issue we can discuss when it's time inshaa'Allah . I have been involved in the selection process at my institution so I have an idea of what they are looking for, what you should never do and what you should do.

If you have any more questions don't hesitate to ask!:)

Nuha




Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: juniordoctor on /March/ 28, 2006, 04:54:17 PM
Dr Nuha, thanks a million for your detailed reply.


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: someonez on /March/ 30, 2006, 05:35:44 AM
Assalamo Aleikom ..

I did some reasearch and asked many people i know ( Egyptians and  Foreigners ) who've been through this dilemma ..
I figured out - based on what i knew - the best thing for me now is to concentrate on my current studies  .. you never know what might happen ..
i was told literally by a doctor friend of my father that Europe isn't accepting foreign doctors as before anymore .. unemployment is increasing and there seem not to be anything stopping it , so they stopped hiring foreign doctors even if they had the PLAB or any other EU board . However , They're more than willing to teach you whatever you want to learn as long as you're not thinking of a job as it's not possible unless you were offered the job if they saw in you what they think is a benefit for them .
I wasn't really interested in the idea of USMLE or PLAB as i don't want to start from ZERO in another country other than our beloved , despite the difficulties . And , hence i got convinced with the idea of MRCS .. It's a degree accepted wherever .. i can do my speciality without waiting in line for registering here in Egypt .I can also continue my post graduate studies anywhere once having it , plus it gives me the oppertunity to apply for any job in other countries especially in the Gulf area which seems to be a pretty good feild for jobs now as demands are increasing and salaries aren't bad at all  . Another bonus for the MRCS is that i can do all the 3 steps here in Egypt even the oral exam .
I don't know much about the American system concerning the jobs .. I know about the USMLE and i know friends who've passed step 1 and preparing for the other steps .. i agree with Dr. Nuha , it's pretty much advisable to proceed step 1 after going through internal medicine as the questions now are clinically based . most of the USMLEes iknow had their first step during their Emtyaz ..
Thank You so Much !!

W Rabena Yewafakna Gamee3an ..   

Sherif El Herraoui


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: 3abeer on /March/ 30, 2006, 09:25:28 AM
dearest nuha

im so happy 2 know that u have been chosen 2 be a memeber of the selection team  ::clap::
u desreve always the best
may ALLAH bless u

i think we have agood no attempting 4 usmle

so lets start  :)


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: musheera on /April/ 01, 2006, 10:58:12 PM
I got this from a yahoo group I belong to ...the drs name & emai are listed below...

youth4health] How to get into medical school in US..!
   
Dear Friends,
  Here you are the article I wrote about the US medical and pre-med education. Get benifit. And all questions are most welcome.

I was really happy after I have been accepted by a US medical school to get graduate medical training there in three specialties for free as scholarships. This was the start to change my (and our) vision to the medical education here and there. I have been accepted for nephrology/renal transplantation, GI disease, and Hepatology.
Since I have arrived JFK airport in New York till the moments I was writing these words, full of funny situations, starting from that one of my friends who is supposed to meet him in the airport, didn?t come. Besides when I depend on myself & traveled alone to his city, I have missed two buses while I am going there. Even more, I found that his address was incorrect, so that I met him after I have arrived New York by 26 hours. The funniest thing is; he has not a cell phone or even a land line phone.
Enrollment to the US medical students is made by application then selection not by a single standardized exam score nationwide.
US medical schools require the students to have a pre-medicine college in any field (but there is minimum requirement of certain course) and to pass the MCAT exam. The MCAT exam; which stands for Medical College Admission Test, is really a competitive exam. This tests your ability to enroll into a medical school from all aspects including, Biology, Genetics, Chemistry, Physics, and even language.
Hence they are already prepared for this exam by having the 4 year pre-medicine college; no one can enter a medical school if he doesn?t want to go to, he feels that it is hard to go on studying medicine, he can?t deal with patients, he is forced to enroll in the medical school by his high high school scores or by his family, or by his peer pressure.
The US medical schools have 4 year program, graduating physicians with MD (medical doctor) degree. The first 2 years are of basic sciences, & the 3rd and the 4th year for the clinical sciences.
All the 125 US medical schools are graduating about 15000 physicians every year, having more than 25000 residency positions every year. So they are accepting international medical graduates.
You can imagine how far is the medical education is different in USA than it is in Egypt. My training policy, which was written by the US medical school "Board of Trustees", stated that "he will have the same obligations, duties, rights, and privileges as our own medical students". So, I was in position to compare the difference between the medical students here and there.
There are three main things I want to talk about. First, the number of the medical students per year never exceeds 250, and those schools usually known by low quality of medical education. Some US medical schools have a class of 40 students, not because they are a small school and can?t accept more than this number, but because they want to give their students the most of what their professors have.
As regard the clinical sciences studying in the 3rd and the 4th years, the students do certain number or "required" rotations and some other ?elective" rotation selected by their own according to each one interest to. In these elective months they can do either a research work through involving in a research team or clinical work by being responsible of following up inpatients and outpatients, starting from seeing them in the clinic passing through the initial diagnosis, investigations, management, and treatment. Besides, he is responsible on watching his patients daily in the morning and presenting and discussing their status to the senior attending faculty. During this period (which is the whole 3rd and 4th year), each student has his own patients on his own list. The students also may have lectures on a certain hot or important topic in the clinical sciences subjects or there may be pre-exam review.
As the space doesn?t allow talking about the hospital system, I do believe that there is a great variation between the hospital system in USA and Egypt.
I didn?t talk about the medical system in Egypt simply because you know it for death. I think you can imagine how far we are, and how much we are pushing to the community "mal-adjusted" work force from whom we don?t get the benefit of what they have learnt; there is something, and what they have been taught, if there is any.
After my strong experience, intimate relation, and close contact to the US professors, fellows, residents, medical students along with direct observation and immediate interaction with the medical education process, I can unequivocally state that the problem that we have is "management". We are so far not for financial deficiencies. We have bad management. We don?t have monitoring process to the educational process. The assessment is examining your memorizing capabilities not your interpretational and correlation powers.
We are all waiting for a serious change. Please, help us with your feedback on this article.
January 2006

Youssef Farag
The University of Texas Medical Branch (UTMB) at Galveston
Galveston, Texas
USA



          Heart-felt Thank you,
                  Yours,
    Youssef Mohamed Kamel Farag

Tel.: +2 (050) 221-7721
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Email: dr_youssef_joe@hotmail.com, youssef_mkamel2002@yahoo.com
Address: Samia El-Gamal Street, Dr. Mohamed Kamel Tower, Mansoura 35111, Egypt.



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Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: 3abeer on /April/ 11, 2006, 11:10:43 AM
check these sites 4 post graduate exams

http://www.rxpgonline.com/review92461.html  ( browse books here)  ::fine:: ::fine::

http://www.prep4usmle.com/resources/48

www.mcqs.com (great site, )dont miss it  ;)



Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: 3abeer on /April/ 11, 2006, 11:23:07 AM
& download things about usmle here


http://www.usmle.org/Orientation/2005/menu.htm

& here are the instructions for download

http://www.usmle.org/Orientation/2005/readme.htm



Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: 3abeer on /April/ 11, 2006, 11:37:50 AM
c this

http://aippg.net/

http://www.residentweb.com/discussions/message.asp?forumId=100&msgId=11391


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: dr_kishk on /June/ 18, 2006, 02:38:21 PM
alslamlo 3alikum w/r w/b;
thanx alot for all of these participations,they r all realy helpful...
but 1 Q. that make me always in insomnia...
which is better? USMLE or Plab!! ::HeaD::
can any one advice coz i wanna ve any of them nearly at end of my Miiltary srvices!!! ::HeaD::


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: Mohamed on /June/ 23, 2006, 09:46:46 AM
Quote from: dr_kishk on /June/ 18, 2006, 02:38:21 PM
alslamlo 3alikum w/r w/b;
thanx alot for all of these participations,they r all realy helpful...
but 1 Q. that make me always in insomnia...
which is better? USMLE or Plab!! ::HeaD::
can any one advice coz i wanna ve any of them nearly at end of my Miiltary srvices!!! ::HeaD::


Good question, it will be great to have an expert member in here who can compare between both USMLE & PLAB for those who need to know which one is better for them to target.

I wonder too if there's available Mo3adla for practicing medicine in Germany?? how I would be able to practice medicine there? if anyone know please enlighten me as I do need an answer eagerly, and don't get me wrong I don't want to catch the world cup by that  :P

Thanks


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: Dena on /July/ 09, 2006, 01:05:32 AM
:)---Asalam alikum,
;)---wish everyone is ok
::clap::---thx alottt for all the previous info
:)---g3lho Allah fee mezan 7sntkom

:bookin:---i  wna know>>wt abt the Canadian system???


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: dr_kishk on /July/ 19, 2006, 11:08:10 PM
well i dont know alot abt the candian one..but all what i knwo is that all of its steps ll done  there in Canda!!
if anyone has any more info,plz informe us :-[


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: rahatkumar on /July/ 22, 2006, 07:50:41 AM
Quote from: 3abeer on /April/ 11, 2006, 11:37:50 AM
c this

http://aippg.net/

http://www.residentweb.com/discussions/message.asp?forumId=100&msgId=11391


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: 3abeer on /July/ 22, 2006, 08:56:31 AM
welcome 2 the team dr kisk & dr rahat :)

can u  introduce ur self plz


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: drmarwan on /August/ 31, 2006, 10:31:35 AM
Here is a HUGE list of books for free for everyone to download !

http://www.real-doctors.com/forums/index.php?topic=813.0

ENJOY !


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: love_stories on /April/ 30, 2007, 06:49:38 PM
thank u so much dr anwarica ...good luck
:)


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: kr34 on /May/ 20, 2007, 11:33:11 AM
hi every body
but ::rage::
which is best mrcp or usmle?
and is it easy to compleat your steps in usa after doing a three exams ?
am with  dr.jonior  احسن المضمون
i ask about mrcp ,they said that i need to compleat at least 18 mounth of working in hospital
but usmle doesnt need that
i graduated from sudan 6mounth ago ,now am in dubai and here there is centers for both
but what to choose  ::HeaD::,  i dont wont to lose my time and moeny ::)
imean to start for one and then find that it was not the rihgt choice
i pray estkhara,ولاخاب من استشار
thanks for all
and am wating an advice


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: drkarthi on /June/ 27, 2007, 07:01:30 AM
what is the ideal time gap between step 1 and 2?


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: Nesrine on /July/ 04, 2007, 04:47:04 PM
If u want to come to the UK then do the PLAB. But need to warn u, there are no more jobs for overseas graduates, so no use to do the PLAB here.


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: dr ali mo on /November/ 12, 2007, 08:49:40 AM
انا  في  سته طب عين شمش
لو بدأت الحجات دي دلوقتي  هتاخد وقت من المذاكرة  ولا  عادي
وعشان  انهي
pleb
هتاخد وقت قد أيه تقريبا


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: Nesrine on /November/ 12, 2007, 09:53:38 AM
Please don't take PLAB to come to the UK 3ashan there is no space for new doctors. But u can study for any reason u have.


Title: Re: THE POST GRADUATE STUDY
Post by: oanacezara on /October/ 06, 2012, 06:23:59 AM
oron.com is not available anymore.

please re-upload


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